Paper Mario Talks — Kappy’s Partner & Special Move/Star Power Tier Lists (+ comparison to Glitz Pit lists)

As I said in my previous entry, the Glitz Pit Discord Server (link at the bottom of this post) cast judgment on badges in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, bringing to light a tier list for more hardcore players. This time, we’re going to go over something many players also debate on — Partners and Special Moves/Star Powers in both TTYD and Paper Mario. However, we did things a little differently.
Instead of giving a tier, we basically just rated the order of each from best to worst. While there are certainly “breaks” within these lists where partners could be placed in the same tier, we felt that an ordered list would work better for Partners and Special Moves/Star Powers given the small amount of each compared to badges. Of course, like with badges, the overall opinion of the 30+ players who voted and discussed these are a little different from mine. I’ll be showing you each list with my own ranking next to it, and talk about some key differences. Remember, the Glitz Pit list is framed with a challenge runner in mind. Let’s start with TTYD!

PARTNERS

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There’s actually not much to say here — I voted with the majority. There was a lot of debate between Yoshi and Goombella, but in the end, Yoshi’s ability to hit everything for huge amounts of damage barely won out over Goombella’s superior single-target damage and versatility with Rally Wink. To me, Yoshi and Goombella could easily be seen as the best partner — it just depends on how you fight. I fight with partners, so Yoshi is better. Flurrie and Vivian were another hotly contested pair.

SPECIAL MOVES

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The glaring difference here is my opinion of Power Lift. I think Power Lift is great but unnecessary. A lot of the time, you can get an adequate boost in power with, say, Double Dipped Items or even just a single Power Punch. This is especially true for bosses where you’re planning to take damage to achieve Danger/Peril. The DEF boosts can get in the way, and while you can avoid those, it makes your ATK boosts worse since you’re wasting time waiting for the arrows to appear. It does pair well with P-Up, D-Down (and the partner variant), though. That was really the only difference. Supernova taking last might be a bit of a surprise, but Art Attacks just outperforms it at almost every step.
Alright, those are the rankings for TTYD. Let’s dive into 64!

PARTNERS

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The big difference is the 5-7 spots. To be honest, these were big toss-up votes for a lot of people. While Parakarry is solid damage all-around and useful early-game, I rarely use him because Sushie does basically the same things he does but better. Air Lift is nice, but… Water Block is much better, and Lakilester has an AoE version. Goombario is uncontested in single-target damage, but it’s barely needed and requires Ultra Rank. Lakilester has Cloud Nine, a move that’s better than all 3 Lucky Badges combined in terms of evasiveness and he’s got a full-screen clean-up move in Spiny Surge, but I’ll be honest — I don’t use him often.

STAR POWERS

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The big difference is my Refresh > Star Storm and Time Out > Smooch. I think Star Storm is great, but when it comes to dealing damage Mario usually has it covered. Refresh is useful throughout the game and is a key component in more restrictive runs. As for Time Out > Smooch — while Time Out really isn’t that great to begin with, I think the healing provided by Smooch coupled with its cost just isn’t really worth it. More than Up & Away, but I’d rather inflict status. There was quite the debate over some of the middle locations — partly because, well…you don’t really need any besides the first 3; they just out-class the rest super hard. For me, I’d take status > 20 HP heal, especially when that’s readily available with items. Refresh at least is only 1 SP and can be used multiple times with lower HP amounts (which challenge runners tend to have rather than going for 25+).

And that’s it for TTYD/64 Partners and Special Moves/Star Powers! We’re now on 64 Badges, so expect another post in the future once that’s been completed. Do you agree or disagree with these lists? Let me know in the comments below, on Twitter, or on Facebook! And that post I mentioned in my badge tier list is coming! I swear!

Link to Glitz Pit Server: https://discord.gg/0yohFnSHDvBexU7i
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Paper Mario Talks — Kappy’s TTYD Badge Tier List (& comparison to Glitz Pit Tier List)

Over the past few months, the Glitz Pit Discord Server (link at the end of this post) has been debating and voting on how good and how bad badges in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door are. Finally, this past week, discussion on badges has completed, and while we’re moving forward with partners in Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door, I thought I’d share that list alongside how I personally ranked every badge.

See, we had some 30+ players voting in the Glitz Pit, and all votes were taken and boiled down to a score. However, because of this, some votes for each player for certain badges differ from what is shown on the Glitz Pit. Obviously, this is to be expected; I, of course, have some pretty varied opinions on some badges, so let’s compare how I’d rate them to how the Glitz Pit rated them!

Before we do that, let’s categorize what each tier means (taken directly from the Glitz Pit on ranking badges):

S Tier — Well above average
A Tier — Above average
B Tier  — Slightly above average
C Tier — Average
D Tier — Slightly below average
E Tier — Below average
F Tier — Well below average

Now, F Tier badges aren’t “unusable”…generally speaking, S-B tier are badges you’ll likely keep equipped a good portion of the time, while C-F are more niche picks and filler.

First, let’s take a look at the Glitz Pit’s ranking. A few things to note are that, because of the aggregate of votes, there are +/- categories in each tier to represent a high/low end. SS = S=, and FF = F-. Badges within each tier aren’t listed in any order — they were basically listed by the order we voted them in.

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Now, here’s mine. I don’t really care what’s on the high or low end of a tier, so I didn’t include those. That also means I have no SS or FF tier. This is basically a list of how I voted for these badges during the rankings, so keep that in mind. They’re sorted in the order we voted them in per tier.

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I’ll talk about a few key differences:

Power Rush (GPRB: S; Kappy: A) — Yeah, I’m assuming heads will spin here. While, obviously, this badge is one of the most potent in the game and Danger Mario is easily the most optimal and broken strategy, we were rating them as if you could only get 2. In that context, I voted for A, because 2 Power Rush badges just aren’t as good as 1 Mega Rush. 2 BP for +4 vs 1 BP for +5, and with how easy it can be to get into Peril if you know what you’re doing, it’s really not an issue of difficulty when it comes to manipulating HP.

Fire Drive – (GPRB: A; Kappy: S) — This one’s a weird one. I’ve already explained why Fire Drive is in my Top 10 Badges in TTYD in my video on the subject, so I’ll defer to that for my explanation, but to summarize — my S vote comes from how this badge enables the possibility of ultra-hard challenges like 10 HP Prologue Pit, 10 HP No Mega Rush P Pre-Hooktail Pit, etc…

Double Dip (P) (GPRB: B+ [both]; Kappy: S [both]) — Again, another set where my video explains my reasoning here. I like free actions, and this badge provides them in spades for items. Many players felt they didn’t really need it, but I feel it’s an invaluable resource that makes set up ultra fast, ultra easy, and ultra awesome.

Power Jump (GPRB: C; Kappy: B) — Power Jump is actually a great option for early-game and with Flower Savers can be an amazing (and more damaging for a portion of the game) alternative to Spin Jump when stacked with 2 of them. I’d pick this over Spin Jump until you either get Ultra Boots or until you’ve got a couple ATK+ badges, especially against enemies with even 1 DEF. It’s an aerial hammer-esque move for Jump!

Pity Flower (GPRB: E-; Kappy: F) — A lot of casual players know this badge is pretty bad, si it might come as a surprise that the collective challenge run community got it into E tier (albeit on the lower end). While I voted F, I can actually understand how it ended up here, since when looking at other F Tier badges, this one can have niche use.

Those are the big differences I wanted to comment on, and that’s it for this post. What do you think of each list? Agree, disagree? Let me know in the comments below, or on Twitter, or on Facebook!  I swear I’ve got something new coming for this blog for Paper Mario Talks soon. I should be releasing another post in early October comparing Items and Star Power/Special Moves!

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Kappy’s Paper Mario Challenge Running Tier List v3.0 (September 2018)

Since the end of December of 2017, I’ve been keeping tabs on the players who challenge run Paper Mario and Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door. I did this mainly because despite there not being an official list of the best players from the Glitz Pit Discord, there’s still discussion about it. Also, I like tier lists.

The first two iterations were posted on my Discord server since they were smaller and had fewer players. Now, there are quite a few who play, and so that demands a bigger platform since Discord posts can only contain so many characters (along with the editing I have for the list itself). So, tier list updates will now be blog posts in the foreseeable future!

So, without further adieu, let’s get to the list! A few things before we get started:

  • Players are grouped into tiers alphabetically
  • + symbol means edge case for next tier up
  • This is my personal opinion; I repeat: this list is NOT objective.
Kappy’s Notes: At this stage, there’s a big disparity in this list because TTYD is definitely more popular than 64, and there are a lot of Elite-level players (some I may consider God level) in TTYD but they fall flat in 64. Because of this, I have decided to create sections for “Combined”, TTYD, and “64”. This is because some players don’t care for one of the games, so it’s difficult to rank them in a forced “Combined” category. Keep in mind that this will thin out a lot of players; some tiers may have little or no players for a game.

 

This means that if you are combined, I deem your skill level for BOTH GAMES to be equal. If I think you are better in one than another, you will be put in two different tier levels for each game.

 

I also have a new tier: INACTIVE. This list will display players who haven’t played since the last tier list update. Basically, this means super old players or players who may have stopped playing will be moved here and will stay here so that you know who used to challenge run. I will also display what I thought their tier level was alongside the game(s).

GOD TIER 

— The best of the best. The cream of the crop.
(sorted alphabetically)
COMBINED
  • Jdaster64 — While Jdaster hasn’t done many challenges, his biblical-esque knowledge of both games is invaluable and allows him to come up with great and unique strategies, all while still displaying a high level of execution prowess. Sometimes, you don’t need multiple insanely difficult challenge completions under your belt to be a God, and Jdaster proves it.
  • Kappy+ — The + stays for me. While it’s been a while since my 10 HP Prologue Pit completion, I feel I’m only getting better. To elegant strategies for Even Turn Low HP in 64 to my *incredible* fight against Macho Grubba on my Grubba Conditions run in TTYD, I can safely say that my spot here remains unchanged.
  • Koop — With his recent Peril Mode completion, there’s no way Koop doesn’t stay up here. His strategy is excellent, and with the rather large list of challenges for both games under his belt, he’ll stay strong despite slowing down his pace. What I like about Koop is that he’ll do whatever it takes to complete a challenge, even if means he’s reusing an old strat because it’s effective in multiple fights; he gets the job done and damn if it isn’t awe-inspiring sometimes to see just how well some strats break the games.
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  • ilikepieinmouth — Pie has not only demonstrated great endurance for longer challenges but an amazing adaptability to superguards and superguard consistency. At this point, I would call him the 2nd best superguarder in the game after myself. Furthermore, he has displayed a knack for great strategy and execution for said strategies. I’m excited to announce Pie as the first official TTYD God for this list! I hope to see him continue to cement his spot here.
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None.

ELITE TIER

— Players in this tier are highly proficient in their game of choice. These are some of the best.
(sorted alphabetically)
COMBINED
  • Fatguy — While Fatguy does have great luck and hasn’t really done anything super serious for challenge running as of late, he still displays great skill in both games when streaming them casually, and when he gets serious he does perform very well.
  • MilesLuigi — MilesLuigi has great knowledge of this game and was on the forefront of research and testing things back in the day. I enjoy that he has great strategy, but can back up his play with superguards if needed.
  • Olmi — No surprise here — since he started Olmi has consistently improved in both games. He’s solid all-around, so he has no real weak point in his play…but I think the “jack-of-all-trades” element is a small weakness on its own.
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  • A. A. Ran — While A. A. Ran was once a superguard beast, and I would argue he still is (he’s the 3rd best superguarder to me right now)…he’s burned out a little from challenge running, especially with a fresh Impossible Mode completion under his belt. The biggest thing holding A. A. Ran back is his lack of concrete, elegant strategies. Of course, his strategy isn’t bad, but I’m just not seeing any improvement there since he’s been so burned out. We’ll see how long that burnout lasts, but I hope to see him come back stronger than ever.
  • amazydayzee — An old school player who came out of nowhere and starting grinding through the harder Pit challenges. I was hesitant to give him an Elite spot, but he’s proven with his recent completions that he can play with the best of them despite him needing a little extra help for some of the ultra-tough challenges. I think his strongest element is his execution, but I can’t tell for sure. If only he had videos I could watch…
  • GamerFourFun — Quietly in the background, GamerFourFun has been churning out content for runs he’s been doing. He’s actually completed quite a few, and with a recent DIsabled Pre-Ch2 Pit completion, he’s earned this spot for TTYD. Whether he continues up, stays here, or falls back is anyone’s guess, but I look forward to seeing what happens.
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  • DarkMario1000 — DarkMario finally makes his appearance as an Elite thanks to the game split. It’s hard to deny DarkMario’s talent in 64, where he not only prevailed through some nasty restrictions in Pro Mode but also has some great strategy for it. And finally, finally, the Glitz Pit Community Challenges have given me videos I can watch, further solidifying his spot here.

GREAT TIER

— Players in this tier are proficient in their game of choice. These are what I would consider to be a “general” challenge runner.
(sorted alphabetically)
COMBINED
  • MellowMathTeacher — MellowMathTeacher’s insistence on no item usage for his community challenges takes away from cool strategies he could create, but he’s definitely proven via both that he’s great at this point. He’s a solid player, but needs breakout challenges to really cement himself…as it is, he’s just barely made it here.
TTYD
  • DarkMario1000 — Based off what I’ve seen of him for TTYD-related things, it’d be difficult to put DarkMario any lower than this for TTYD. The big problem is that I just haven’t seen anything for him that’s TTYD related. I won’t be assuming how good he is at superguards, so here he’ll sit for TTYD.
  • Dyla — An explosive start for a new runner (like literally almost 2-3 weeks ago). PHP, 10 HP PHP NMRP, AND Disabled Pre-Chapter 2 Pit all blazing fast. If this guy keeps up, he’ll be Elite in no time.
  • Gibstack+ — Gibstack is still quite close to being an Elite player despite being inactive for a little while, but he still needs a couple big challenges that aren’t the Extreme Randomizer to propel him up there.
  • Miccat87 — A new addition to Great tier. Miccat has completed quite a few challenges since I’ve last updated this list. Notably: Disabled Mario. He’s a solid player, and with what looks like a Disabled Pre-Chapter 2 Pit completion, he’s only going to climb higher.
  • StarmanOmega — This is a surprise placement. As I was finishing up editing, I got word that StarmanOmega completed Impossible Mode. He’s now the 2nd fastest completion of Impossible Mode and beat my Magnus Von Grapple 2.0 reset record, which is nothing short of impressive. He’s definitely on the rise if he keeps this up for other, more difficult challenges, particularly with the Pit, which I’ve seen him struggle with.
  • stebbdogg+ — Stebbdogg is close to being an Elite-level player, despite being on the brink of inactivity. He’s been completing a lot of challenges; some easy, some difficult. It’s hard to deny that he’s close to Elite with all of them, though.
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  • GamerFourFun+ — While making big strides in TTYD, Gamer stays in Great tier for 64, albeit on the cusp of Elite. He’s done some difficult runs, but I think he needs one or two more completions under his belt.
  • TwoPieRadian — With two Pro Mode challenges completed, I’d say TwoPieRadian is great. If he keeps up what he’s doing, I can easily see him becoming Elite in 64.

GOOD TIER

— Players here have breached past what I would consider “casual” and are officially challenge runners (or have the skills to be one). Most new challenge runners will be put her since usually they’ve only completed one or two challenges or are in the process of completing their first one.
(sorted alphabetically)
COMBINED
  • simodomino — All I’ve really seen from simodomino are community challenges for both games, but just from those alone, I can see he’s skilled in both. He’ll stay here until he starts doing more with either game.
TTYD
  • Feposo — A new TTYD runner. Currently doing a 10 HP run, but I haven’t really seen much since I think his most recent upload is Hooktail.
  • Gible_V+ — Already almost breaching Great despite just starting, Gible started with Impossible Mode. Lack of sanity aside, she also completed 10 HP PHP and has demonstrated great superguarding ability. Now she needs to *complete* Impossible Mode and get a couple other things under her belt and she’ll be Great in no time.
  • TwoPieRadian — TwoPieRadian has finally started dipping into TTYD challenge running. Since he just started, he’s here by the protocol of my list, but I can see him being Great soon if he keeps playing.
64
  • A. A. Ran — A. A. Ran has finally dipped his toes into Paper Mario 64 challenge running. This is really only protocol for now — if he keeps playing 64 I expect him to be Elite in no time, especially if he gives Pro Mode a whirl.
  • Lolyuri64 — A new runner entering with Community Challenges for 64. Like others,
    there aren’t enough videos to really get a feel for him, but we’ll see how he tackles future challenges.
  • Miccat87 — With the Glitz Pit Community Challenges for 64 underway, Miccat has thrown his hat into the Paper Mario 64 ring of challenge running. I haven’t seen much since there’s only been 3 months worth of videos, but I expect him to climb from here.
  • Starlad — A new 64 runner who started with the community challenges, although he hasn’t been keeping up recently. I hope to see more from him since he was quite confident in his abilities when talking about the community challenges.
  • Timmy+ — A new addition to 64 challenge running, Timmy has started off strong with a Single partner Pro Mode completion, and from the looks of it, it wasn’t too difficult for him. With community challenges and maybe another difficult challenge under his belt, I can see him easily breaking into Great tier.

INACTIVE TIER

— Inactive Players. Players have their last tier listed for reference.
(sorted alphabetically)
  • Auron Nomcario — Great Tier (64) | Good Tier (TTYD)
  • avengah — Elite Tier (TTYD)
  • Blanket P.I. — Great Tier (COMBINED)
  • catbooger — Good Tier (TTYD)
  • Codebox — Great Tier (COMBINED)
  • DiamondCrafterA — Good Tier (TTYD)
  • Dount Cooku — Good Tier (TTYD)
  • Gradis — Good Tier (TTYD)
  • Jayjar100 — Good Tier (TTYD)
  • JakeTheSnake — Good Tier (TTYD)
  • Mathcat — Good Tier (TTYD)
  • Michael The Fox — Great Tier (TTYD)
  • Mr_Some1 — Good Tier (TTYD)
  • ngburns — Great Tier (TTYD)
  • OmegaRaptor — Good Tier (TTYD)
  • Prentiscool — Good Tier (TTYD)
  • Skawo — Elite Tier (COMBINED)
  • Snowy — Great Tier (TTYD)
  • Wayoshi — Elite Tier (TTYD) | Great Tier (64)
  • ThatOneSpyGuy — Elite Tier (TTYD)
  • TRex Quisite — Great Tier (COMBINED)
NOTABLE CHANGES & THOUGHTS
  • With the advent of the Inactive Tier, it’s now much nicer to list everyone.
  • The game separation resulted in a rather clean, organized list. I’m glad I made the change.
  • Congrats, ilikepieinmouth, on reaching godhood. You’ve proven yourself to be worthy. I hope you continue to play and support the challenge running community for Paper Mario.
  • Other notable players who caught my eye on this list:
    • Dyla
    • Gible_V
    • StarmanOmega
    • GamerFourFun
  • There are no 64-only Gods. Will someone rise to take that place?
  • You people need more videos so I can watch you.

And that’s it for this version of the tier list! I hope you all enjoyed reading my thoughts on this. If you’re interested in making it on this list, start challenge running! A great resource for challenge runners is the Glitz Pit, a Discord server dedicated to challenge running the Paper Mario series.

Damage Calculus 101 – Attack, Defense, and Elemental Effects in TTYD

If you’re a Paper Mario: TTYD Challenge runner, this is a must-read by fellow runner Jdaster!

The Super Mario Files

Following my article on evasion badges and misconceptions about how they stack, here’s an in-depth article explaining the Paper Mario: TTYD damage calculation process and all its subtleties.  Normally I’d cover PM64’s equivalent mechanics at least in passing, but Floogal’s GameFAQs guide on Paper Mario stats and attacks is comprehensive and accurate on that matter already, so I’ll not waste words treading already-paved ground.

That said, here’s a list of stuff that will be (mostly) out of the scope of this investigation, unless I flesh out the post after the fact:

  • Details about the base attack power for every move with variable damage (any player moves, stackable move badges, etc.)
  • Details about various defensive and elemental-effect states of every enemy (e.g. Buzzies having different defenses when flipped than when upright).
  • In general, interactions other than simple damage calculation; e.g. flipping shelled enemies, exploding bomb enemies, etc.

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Placing Pins and Tiering Trinkets: A TTYD Badge Tier List

One of the Gods of #PaperMario Challenge Running shares his thoughts on badges in TTYD. Check it out!

The Super Mario Files

Truly 2017 was a banner year for Paper Mario challenge runs, with the Glitz Pit Discord server surging in popularity and several players popping into the scene.  Discussion of strategies, loadouts, and mechanics of the Paper Mario series has abounded, but the badges, arguably the series’ combat’s defining trait, have always been a particular focal point.  Some badges are loved by all, some ridiculed by all but a few dedicated apologists, and many fall everywhere in-between.

Since stacking badges is what this blog was built on, I’d like to do something a little different here, and exposit my current thoughts on the matter at length, giving my personal ranking of every badge in Paper Mario: TTYD and some justification as to their placements.

To start, I won’t be considering these badges (the “FX-Esque Tier”) in my tier list:

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Paper Mario Talks — Pro Mode & Hammer

Continuing with gushing about things I like in my last post about Pre-Hooktail Pit Runs, today’s topic covers something I found exceptionally interesting in Paper: Mario Pro Mode, and that’s how you approach The Master.

If you’re unaware, someone by the name of Clover created a mod of Paper Mario that enhances its difficulty. Enemies do double damage, badge costs have changed, FP costs have changed, new enemy layouts, smart AI, new areas to explore… it’s quite a lot of new content. If you’re curious, click here to check out the release trailer that contains a link to download!

Anyway… one boss, in particular, stood out to me in Pro Mode, and that was The Master. His entire gimmick was changed – he now starts at 0 ATK (first form) / 1 ATK (second form) / 2 ATK (final form) for his basic attack (his combo moves have set damage), and with every strike you inflict on him, his ATK for the basic attack increases by 1. This means a Jump increases his ATK by 2, and Hammer by 1. I’m sure you see where this is going, but let me explain: this new gimmick actually makes Hammer a more viable choice than Jump when fighting him.

In 64 and TTYD, Jump is generally vastly superior to Hammer. It has generally better badges (Multibounce, Sleep/Shrink/Dizzy Stomp, Power Bounce) and nets a greater increase in power when you increase your attack because the attack of both Jumps are increased when you perform a successful Action Command. So, essentially, your ATK for Jump is doubled when compared to Hammer. The only thing Hammer has going for it is against high-DEF enemies and challenge runs that restrict your badges…but most of the time, your partners are there to help clean up. It’s much more effective to rely on Jump than Hammer almost every time. I will note that the Hammer is inherently better in 64 than in TTYD thanks to awesome badges like Power Power Quake, which are souped up Quake Hammers that can easily out-damage Multibounce, but for single targets like bosses, Jump still reigns supreme. However, The Master in Pro Mode turns that on its head.

Because of his unique gimmick, the battle is more about maximizing single hit damage so you can better control how much damage he’s inflicting. You can’t attack The Master recklessly. You need to make sure you’re doing the most damage with every strike to maximize your own damage and minimize his. With Mario’s Hammer, you can more smoothly increment The Master’s damage output to manipulate your HP into Danger or Peril, and using Charge makes sure you’re doing 10+ damage per hit with Hammer and Power Smash or Mega Smash. This makes Hammer a much more viable choice. You need seriously beefed up Jump to match what the Hammer can do, and even then, you’ll have a much harder time manipulating his ATK if it’s always increasing by 2. Honestly, I’m impressed with his design, because Mario’s Hammer being superior carries through for all 3 forms of The Master. It’s a strange concept to grasp. Almost every other boss I fought had me using some combination of D-Down Jump, Spike Shield, Ice Power, and ATK-increasing badges. The Master was the only boss to make me choose Hammer over Jump.

And yes, you could use Power Jump or Mega Jump… but the Hammer itself costs no FP, and The Master has DEF as he grows stronger, so D-Down Pound becomes a viable choice in his later forms. Besides, those two specific Jump badges are Hammer-esque in how they work anyway!

That’s my short spiel on The Master in Pro Mode and why I like it so much. I wish more bosses made Hammer a clearly superior choice over Jump.

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